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hey guys

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how's it going welcome back to the

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disclosure team youtube channel

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um this is an interview i've been

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looking forward to for quite some time

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and it's finally happening tonight good

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to see you guys in the comments

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we've already been having a laugh behind

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the scenes good to see you

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jason and yeah good to see you all but

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listen let's not mess around without

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further ado i'd like to introduce to you

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mr jeremy mcgowan jeremy

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vinnie how are you man i am doing well

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my friend it is an

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honor and a pleasure to be here i really

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really appreciate

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any chance i get to talk to the folks

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across the pond

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uh and like i was saying in the chat

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apparently today i'm the guy with the

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funny accent so

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i guess most of your viewers are over in

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the uk so

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do you know what i think they're

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actually mainly in the us to be honest

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really yeah i think so yeah

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i never planned it that way obviously

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they just appear from everywhere but no

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yeah i you know what shout out to

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everyone that's here whether you're from

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any corner of the globe

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you're all welcome so um and we've got

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mr jason turn or has he gone to finish

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doing his decking he's pressure washing

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his deck

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[Laughter]

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so yeah so jeremy how's your day going

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so far man it's doing well man it's uh

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it's about 11

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30 over here in vegas i woke up this

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morning i got a chance to uh

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cook some breakfast for the family then

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go outside and mow my lawn and uh

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check out the land mines that my dog

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left for me

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take a shower and now i'm sitting here

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talking to you fine folks sounds going

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well good

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sounds good man i've just noticed on

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your cupboard in the background you got

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the sticker

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the osiris sticker yeah right right

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right there there you go yeah there you

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got one

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of the osiris as well and of course the

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the the logo is emblazoned on the side

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of the doors there as well dan

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dan zetterman man he knocked that out of

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the park

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and if you knew if you knew the amount

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of detail

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and synchronicities that lined up when

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he was doing that

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right down to the star field that is

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that all the stars that you can see in

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over dan's house

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at the minute he finished making the

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logo yeah

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incredible we had a conversation about

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it on instagram live a couple of months

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ago and he

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yeah he went in and told me everything

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about it and i was just blown away

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oh yeah yeah and that's not the only

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synchronicity that happened during the

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course of the making of that it was

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it was incredible uh how everything

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yeah amazing stuff so where do we start

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i guess at the start just give us a bit

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of your background

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you can go back as far as you want and

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before you're interested in uap

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anything you want but yeah i'll leave it

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up to you my man oh man well

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obviously i'm a child of the 70s i am 50

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years old just as of

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recently um so this this obviously takes

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a lot of work

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because it doesn't it doesn't look like

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this man

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looking good bro you're at 50 so

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congratulations

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i appreciate it now i uh man i don't

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even i don't even know where to start

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talking

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like that is

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is a lot easier but i guess you know i

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ended up in the military

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uh at a fairly normal age

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i didn't go in super early i didn't go

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in super late i turned

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21 in basic training right so

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uh it was it was the worst birthday i'd

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ever had in my life my drill sergeant

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comes up to me

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hands me a beer tells me i can open it

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says happy birthday then have its me

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hand it back to him and he drinks it in

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so that was that was my that was my

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um yeah gary shout out gary

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in the house we'll be speaking in a few

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days gary and uh yeah

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maybe you're ten you better trim your

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beard gary when you come on so they can

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actually see if you're talking or if

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you're just a puppet with somebody's

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hand up

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oh i love the banter already love it

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love it love it so yeah sorry to be

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interrupted there no no no worries that

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i mean that's gary that's what he does

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[Laughter]

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no i uh i ended up in the air force and

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career uh military guy but uh i guess

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the medium version of the story is right

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got to my first duty station uh which

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i served there uh technically from uh

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90 to 95 basically and

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maybe six to eight months in total out

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four and a half years that i was on

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stationed at pope because we were the

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most highly deployed uh base

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in the u.s military at the time because

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well pope is now gone it's now part of

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fort bragg it's called pope

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field but when i was there we had um of

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course the uh the 101st airborne the

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uh at fort bragg we had the green beret

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training facility we had delta force we

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operators you know the the frog school

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the seals so basically anybody that was

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all the special guys uh you know had all

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the special jobs and all the special

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i was not special um my unit was

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task or attached to jsoc joint special

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operations command but only as a support

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operations we didn't go in and do the

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we went in and lifted their heavy

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equipment okay and wherever they went

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for them just making sure that their

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stuff was safe and secure and

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the lz that we were around because it

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was free of enemy fires

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in the middle east uh in in the first

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four years of my military service which

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i i don't like that place at

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much at all um but uh

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but pope was was an interesting place

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because it's kind of an indoctrination

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it was it was incredible um but

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i pope pope was was unique in in the

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i got to see a lot of things and a lot

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never would have had the opportunity to

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um so i don't even know where i was

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going with this but

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bro that i'm blown away just by the fact

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you know you joined and you just one of

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groups in the whole of the you know the

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air force and stuff and you've got to

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see all these countries

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do you feel like it toughened you up as

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well seeing doing all that stuff so

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quickly and

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going to different places i'm going to

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beat gary to the punch and say no

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um because he's going to call me chair

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force in probably about three seconds

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toughened me up

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or or anything it opened my eyes a lot i

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yeah i grew up in in a very rural very

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this is the heart of appalachia where

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society that i grew up in so when i got

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one one high school in the entire county

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um so you know we only had fifteen

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thank you so much man i appreciate it

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and yeah jeremy you got it there he

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called you out sorry to interrupt

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yeah sorry you were saying about your

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high school that's right

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do you know why the navy exists right

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it's it's because the marines need

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somebody to dance with

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so gary yeah come on let me

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this is just going to go back and forth

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now i love it i love it this is this is

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but going into the military it really

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opened my eyes to new cultures and new

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experiences and

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different types of people that i had

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never been exposed to before and it was

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it was pretty entertaining and and uh

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awkward and

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amazing all at the same time was it and

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what percentage of those deployments

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across all those different countries

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situations or was it

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it started off with desert storm whoa i

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i went to i had a job out of high school

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uh with ibm and i had taken some college

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and and college and i both agreed that

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college probably wasn't the correct

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place for me to be so i ended up

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getting a job at ibm and i was i was

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comfortable there but

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you know i didn't fit in because like i

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said i came from this redneck

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appalachian place and now i'm in

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research triangle park in raleigh durham

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north carolina working in

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in big blue suit and tie and man i don't

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like ties

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and i rode a motorcycle back and forth

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to work all the time and

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i usually had particularly crappy days

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at ibm just because i didn't

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i didn't quite fit in there right and uh

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on on one of these random

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bride's home i uh i kept seeing the a

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recruiter station

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every day when i rode home from work and

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i had just had a particularly crappy day

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at work one day

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and i pulled my bike in and uh and rode

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into the

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the parking lot took my helmet off and

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uh they had army navy air force

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marine and coast guard recruiters in the

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same place and i walked past the uh

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the army office and i walked past the uh

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the navy and the marine office and

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and i got to the air force it was all

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the way in the back and i was like yeah

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this seems right

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so i walk in there and they're like what

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what uh

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what can we do for you and i was like i

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i want to get out of here

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you know what do you want to do it's

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like i i don't really care i want to

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shoot guns and i want to blow things up

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nice and they're like okay well we got a

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spot for you

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and uh within a couple months i found

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myself celebrating

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christmas uh and then my birthday and

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basic training

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and uh then the next thing you know i

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get to pope and within a couple weeks uh

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i'm in the middle of desert storm and

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i'm like you know i really wasn't that

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bad

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that is mind-blowing man and look we see

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we got the whole gang here

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hello kevin good to see you my friend

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senior chief day what's going on man

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absolutely honored to have him here

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all you guys man this is a mind-blowing

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in fact but

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listen one thing i wanted to speak to

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you about and i mean i don't know how

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much you want to go into the history of

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your military service but there was a

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case that i think a few people have

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heard about

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where you were guarding something in

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particular can you

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extrapolate on that yeah i mean it it's

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it's a story i've i've told uh a few

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times that's uh it's kind of

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the reason the reason that i'm uh around

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chief day and and gary and jason and

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these guys it's

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it was a strange turn of events that uh

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got me on the

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the tv show uh unidentified with uh with

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uh

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lou elizondo yeah but the the whole

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thing was this this

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also happened out of pope air force base

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and by this time

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i had been serving for this was this

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would have been towards the middle of

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95. so i would have been in for a good

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solid four four and a half years by this

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time right and uh

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at uh at pope you know we we were

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like i said the one of the most highly

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uh deployed

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bases and in my unit was the most highly

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deployed unit in the

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entire air force at the time and we were

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very very

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used to having a go bag packed at all

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times

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and then you get a phone call or

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somebody comes knocking on your barracks

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door and they said like hey grab your

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bag and go you're getting deployed

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and 99 times out of 100 you would grab

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your bag you would get on a c130 the

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rest of your team would be on the plane

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you would take off and they would fly

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you around for about an hour an hour and

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a half

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uh the uh your your uh

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your flight sergeant would come in and

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have you dump your bag out on the middle

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of the airplane floor and count all your

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gear and make sure you had all your

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stuff

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and then the plane would land and

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you'd be back where you started and

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you'd be back at pope going

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well what the hell was that well it's

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just a round this training exercise to

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make sure you got your crap together in

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case the real thing happens

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yeah so this happened all the time right

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and the same thing occurred uh we got a

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phone call

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and you know grab your bag you're

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getting deployed and we were like yeah

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okay here we go again we get on the

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we get on the plane c-130 out of pope

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air force base we launched

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and uh we didn't get our gear dumped out

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on the

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floor of the plane nobody was counting

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our canteens or our

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chemical patches or anything like that

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and it was really kind of quiet

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and somber feeling inside the plane and

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and one of the things that i noticed

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right off the bat is we were not making

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a turn

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because normally they just fly around in

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a pattern for a show until you come back

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down right

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yeah and we weren't making a turn

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anywhere and and it

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we were heading somewhere and a couple

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hours go by and then we start to

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start descending and we get off the

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plane and

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i'm in delaware and i'm like what the

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hell is going on and we start

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transferring to a c5 out of delaware

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and when we got on the c5 they nobody

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was telling us where we were going we

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didn't have orders

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we didn't have paperwork we didn't have

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anything all that gets processed

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on the back side of things right unless

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it's just a standard

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you know training or standard routine

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deployment but something like this

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orders are probably still being typed up

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somewhere okay

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so we uh we're airborne in the c5 for

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maybe an

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hour hour and a half until they actually

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tell us that this is a real world

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deployment and we're going to the

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country of jordan

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but then they said it's just for an

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exercise

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i'm like okay so all of this for an

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exercise right yeah

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so we we landed in jordan and

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i had been in the desert multiple times

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by then like i said i started off in

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desert storm right

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so i'd served in in saudi arabia i'd

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served in kuwait

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uh taiyi foul cars uh all over the place

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and when we get to uh to jordan things

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were just

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different there was there was a feeling

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in the air that just

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wasn't it it wasn't right

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okay and i remember going into the mess

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hall

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guys call it

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and i was looking around and i was

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taking note

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of everybody that was there because

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i only deployed with nine other people

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that i knew

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um and when i'm looking around i mean

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there were

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hundreds of other americans that were

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there

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and i was looking at people from the

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75th ranger battalion i was looking at

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people from naval special warfare

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i was looking at people contractors that

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were wearing fbi uniforms cia

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uniforms i even saw people from the

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department of energy the doe

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walking around and i'm like this is

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not normal at all

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and and i get sent to a post

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i get split apart from my team which is

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also something that was very strange to

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me because

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if you train with these folks you know

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how they react you know who's going to

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snore in the foxhole

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you know you know who's who's reliable

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on the weapons you you know

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what the capabilities of your team

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members are sure yeah and

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and we we got separated uh

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mandatorily separated so i have no idea

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where the other nine guys were actually

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eight guys and one girl

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um and i get stuck on this post

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out in the middle of the jordanian

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desert and i mean there is

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nothing around you you can't see

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civilization from horizon horizon it's

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just

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barren desert with some sand dunes in it

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and when i get there the only things

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that were there

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was a tent just like a gp medium canvas

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type tent

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and a few dozen meters off to the right

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of it was this

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big ass wooden crate just a big

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box in the middle of the desert um

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and what i mean big i mean this thing

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looked like

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you could drive a car through it or park

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a car in it like a volkswagen bug could

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be

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sealed up inside this crate so we're not

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talking like a small little box it's

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it's a big crate and

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normally when we get on post and we're

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told to guard something we have

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rules of engagements our roes are

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printed out for us our special operating

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procedures are printed out for us and it

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tells us what our fields of fire are it

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tells us

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you know when to engage when we're not

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supposed to engage challenge words code

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words things like this they're all given

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to us there was nothing there was no

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paperwork there was

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nothing there and i can't remember if

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the guy was a captain or a major he

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comes out

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and he's he's giving me and this other

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guy a a briefing of what we're supposed

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to be doing and he just says don't let

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anybody near the crate and don't get

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near the crate

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that's it it's like yeah don't let

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anybody near the crate and don't

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come near the crate it's like okay but

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what happens if somebody gets near the

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crate

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he's like shoot them wow

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okay so this is not an exercise yeah

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and you know i'm i was a 203 gunner at

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the time which is a a 40 millimeter

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grenade launcher on the bottom of an m16

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rifle yeah

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so i had 240 rounds of 556 for my rifle

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and i had 18 rounds of high explosive

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grenades strapped on my vest

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and you know you don't do that in an

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exercise either you may have the

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grenades but they're paint grenades with

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orange tips and they just go poof

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right yeah they paint some they'll leave

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a big ass bruise and they'll paint

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somebody orange it looks like a cheeto

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but it's not gonna kill them so this was

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obviously not an exercise

559
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and then and i was out there for a

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number of days with this guy

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and i don't know who he was i don't know

562
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,520
what base he was from

563
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:19,679
um we barely even talked to each other

564
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:21,280
because we had virtually nothing in

565
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:22,400
common

566
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:23,840
but we had each other's backs while we

567
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:26,320
were out there right yeah and

568
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:29,520
i used to smoke and i was a chain smoker

569
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,559
i was two packs a day right

570
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,400
back in back at that time and of course

571
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,000
you can't smoke

572
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:38,640
while you're on post especially on at

573
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:39,360
night

574
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,039
because the little cherry at the end of

575
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,640
your cigarette you can see that on night

576
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,640
vision goggles from miles away

577
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,400
yeah and uh i didn't really want to get

578
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,919
sniped in the

579
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:49,200
night and it's not like there was

580
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:50,400
anybody out there but i mean you know

581
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:51,360
these are the things that are going

582
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:52,000
through your head

583
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,679
right of course you never know man

584
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,200
exactly so

585
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:58,000
so i i would walk away from post because

586
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,360
there was no supervision

587
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:01,120
there was nobody else out there people

588
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:02,720
in the tent were gone

589
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:06,159
um and i would walk out onto the sand

590
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:07,600
dune and i would lay down on the sand

591
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,640
dude and i would just

592
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,640
kind of it was about 300 meters away and

593
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,000
i could still see the crate

594
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,919
and i could i was up high so i could see

595
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,600
if there was anybody coming around

596
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,280
yeah i would just lay there and smoke a

597
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,280
cigarette or two cigarettes or a handful

598
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:21,120
of cigarettes until i would go back and

599
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,549
it was just one night uh the the guy

600
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,320
that was that was with me he uh he

601
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:32,000
smoked as well so he walked out there

602
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,640
with me as

603
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:35,280
as well and i was just super bored and i

604
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,799
grabbed my night vision goggles

605
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,640
and i put them on i strapped them on my

606
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,799
head and adjusted them down and i just

607
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,919
kind of

608
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,760
laid back on the sand dune and i was

609
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:45,360
laying pretty much flat on my back

610
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,159
looking

611
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,880
straight up uh through the night vision

612
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:49,760
goggles

613
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,799
just amazed at the amount of stars that

614
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,840
you can see because

615
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:56,000
in in the desert at night it is

616
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,960
cloudless

617
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,320
you know there's no atmospheric

618
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,240
distortion there's there's no

619
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:02,000
pollution out there it's just crystal

620
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,360
clear

621
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,679
all the way to the stars yeah yeah when

622
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:07,360
you put the night vision goggles on you

623
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,159
can just see

624
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:11,520
you know a thousand times more uh stars

625
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,400
than you can with your

626
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:15,039
your naked eye of course yeah and then i

627
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,080
saw something that i

628
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:18,400
thought was just at first i thought it

629
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:19,360
was a a

630
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,520
an error in the night vision goggles um

631
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,000
and i kind of smacked him a little bit

632
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,520
and because sand gets down in the

633
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:29,360
imaging tube and grains of sand will

634
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,159
roll around

635
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,240
and and things like that happen so i'm

636
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:34,000
okay i'm looking at the night vision

637
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:34,960
goggles and

638
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,280
blowing dust out of them and things like

639
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:38,960
that and i put them back on and i'm

640
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,159
laying back there and

641
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,000
and i see it again i'm just like man

642
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,760
this this isn't right

643
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:46,159
and again i'm flat on my back looking

644
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:46,880
straight up

645
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,400
and all i can see is is the cloudless

646
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,480
knight and the field of stars out there

647
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:55,120
and then something is just a bright

648
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:55,760
bright

649
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,640
pinpoint of light it comes back from my

650
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,240
six o'clock position

651
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,640
shoots straight up over top of me top

652
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,760
dead center

653
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,159
makes a perfect 90 degree turn and

654
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,320
shoots off to my nine o'clock

655
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:11,280
now this goes from my rear horizon yeah

656
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,000
to my left

657
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,360
horizon with a pivot a turn at the

658
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,840
at the top dead center at 12 o'clock

659
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,200
with no

660
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:21,600
there was there was no curve there was

661
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,320
no

662
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,320
arc or radius to this turn it was a

663
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,080
perfect 90 degree

664
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,480
and i swear to god there was no

665
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:29,760
depreciation in

666
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,039
speed it did not slow down it did

667
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,080
not it

668
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:39,280
it was weird right and i would see this

669
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,080
thing over

670
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:42,080
and over again it was just following the

671
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,520
same pattern over

672
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,280
so i took the night vision goggles off

673
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,880
and i handed them to the guy beside me

674
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:48,320
and i'm like here look at this he's like

675
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,280
what am i looking for

676
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,159
i'm like just look so he takes the night

677
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:53,600
vision goggles and he puts him on and he

678
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,000
he

679
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,320
kind of leans back and it's maybe i

680
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,840
don't know 30 seconds a minute or

681
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:59,120
something like that

682
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,640
and the next thing i know i could see

683
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:03,039
his head track and go left

684
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,280
i was like i swear to god man all he

685
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:08,400
does is he takes the night vision

686
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,440
goggles off

687
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,200
hands him back to me reaches into his

688
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:13,039
ammo pouch pulls out a pack of

689
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,720
cigarettes

690
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,640
lights one up and walks back to the

691
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,760
crate no

692
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,559
he doesn't say [\h__\h] doesn't talk about

693
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,240
it the rest of the time

694
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,360
and the bad part is i could not and go

695
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,400
and ask anybody about what the hell this

696
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:29,919
was because i had literally

697
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,880
walked away from my guard position yeah

698
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,000
right

699
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:36,159
i can't go flag an officer down and say

700
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,280
hey you know when i

701
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,840
was committing dereliction of duty over

702
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:41,679
here smoking a cigarette away from post

703
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:42,000
i

704
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,440
shouldn't be there yeah so

705
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:46,880
i couldn't say anything i couldn't ask

706
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,240
anybody about what the hell it was but

707
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,320
that's nuts i'm just gonna give a quick

708
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,000
quick shout out to scott jensen but then

709
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,000
we've got a good question here

710
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,760
shout out to my brother my brother in

711
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,919
the comments here hey disclosure bro

712
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,679
could you determine what shape it was at

713
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,080
all no in the night vision goggles as

714
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,159
far away as this thing was it was

715
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,080
literally just a pinpoint of light to me

716
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,720
it was a circular point that was a

717
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:13,520
couple magnitudes brighter than a star

718
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,279
um there was no sound no sound and

719
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,360
and i know for a fact that we were in

720
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,799
restricted airspace

721
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,640
right so there was there was no aircraft

722
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:24,320
no

723
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,400
you could see satellites and you can see

724
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,400
the satellites go over and you know what

725
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,840
a satellite is of course you know the

726
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:35,440
movement the tracking and things like

727
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:35,760
that

728
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,720
yeah and this would go horizon to

729
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,840
horizon

730
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,240
with a 90 degree turn a perfectly

731
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,880
executed 90 degree turn to the left

732
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,679
with no depreciation and speed no arc no

733
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,039
radius no nothing

734
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,960
and it would go horizontal horizon this

735
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,960
took it under two seconds

736
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,440
that's crazy so just going back to the

737
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:57,679
the crate that you were guarding

738
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,720
well do you think there's any

739
00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:00,720
correlation between the sighting and the

740
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,360
crate

741
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,840
i do i didn't at the time because i

742
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:04,880
didn't really know

743
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:07,840
what was in the crate at the time um it

744
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:08,480
took

745
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:12,320
roughly 24 years uh to kind of figure

746
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:13,360
out

747
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,640
what was truly in the crate now at the

748
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:17,919
time

749
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,200
i had a i had an idea but i had a wrong

750
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,679
idea in the right direction of what was

751
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,720
in the crate

752
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:27,360
okay when when i was looking around like

753
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:27,760
i was

754
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,799
saying and i saw uh not only the ranger

755
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,279
battalion 75th but the

756
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,279
department of energy guys as well and i

757
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,880
had never ever deployed with the

758
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,159
department of energy

759
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,600
and like i said i'd been in the desert

760
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,520
for two and a half years by this time

761
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,360
and i'd never seen the doe walking

762
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:46,320
around i knew it had to be something

763
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,279
that dealt with

764
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,919
something radiological yeah it's just

765
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:50,720
the only reason

766
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,080
but i also didn't

767
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,840
think of the way i should have been

768
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,120
thinking at the time so

769
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,640
in my mind back then i thought

770
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,480
that what was in the crate was something

771
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:04,320
that was radioactive that we

772
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,360
used to help our satellites

773
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:10,000
focus you know you know give our

774
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,880
satellites

775
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,880
like a ground-based radiological

776
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,640
signature that they can track

777
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:16,720
for an exercise all right so i figured

778
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,520
that it was something sensitive

779
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,760
i just didn't realize how sensitive it

780
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,880
actually was and i

781
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:26,159
didn't even know what it was until

782
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,480
after i was being vetted by lou elizondo

783
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,880
and anthony lepay of the history channel

784
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:34,720
for the tv show

785
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:37,919
and they were having me dig up all sorts

786
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,480
of proof

787
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,000
you know documents and things like that

788
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:42,400
certificates of participation my dd214

789
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,360
and i found

790
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,200
i found all the paperwork i found the

791
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,679
rhetor retroactive orders and i gave

792
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,600
i gave lou all of that sort of stuff

793
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,760
right and then anthony lepay

794
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:53,520
who was the showrunner for uh

795
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,799
unidentified

796
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:57,120
he wanted to see if i could find anybody

797
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,400
that could corroborate

798
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:01,120
anything that i was saying right um so i

799
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,240
put my feelers out

800
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,520
and there was a guy that i had been

801
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,159
stationed with at pope early on

802
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,960
who was not part of this deployment but

803
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,559
i just called him up

804
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,559
because i figured that he would help me

805
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:14,480
track down other people that

806
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,480
that could help corroborate the story

807
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,320
turns out that he had left pope and i

808
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,080
can't mention his name because

809
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,919
he was interviewed by the tv show but it

810
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,520
did not make the air

811
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,600
um they just interviewed him for

812
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,720
corroboration

813
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,440
sure but he refused to go on camera okay

814
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,720
um

815
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,679
he basically said that he had been

816
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,960
transferred out of pope

817
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:39,039
uh permanent change station out of pope

818
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,399
uh about

819
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,880
a year or so after i had gotten there

820
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:44,080
and he ended up

821
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:47,760
providing support for seal team four

822
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,240
right

823
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,360
and ironically he

824
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,000
states that he was on the receiving end

825
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,320
of that crate

826
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,480
and so the crate that i was guarding in

827
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,640
the desert was initially was

828
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,600
eventually picked up and transported by

829
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:04,799
seal team 4

830
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,840
into egypt and he was saying that the

831
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:09,279
contents of the crate was

832
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,279
actually a recovered nuclear device

833
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,039
because you know we're talking four

834
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,799
years previous to this

835
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,440
uh the soviet empire had collapsed yeah

836
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,039
and there were errant nukes

837
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,640
all over the place i think john deutch

838
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,159
the director of central intelligence had

839
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,760
even estimated that at one point in time

840
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,840
there was over 600 of them

841
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,919
that were unaccounted for and it took

842
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:32,080
them a decade or so to track them all

843
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:32,880
down

844
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:35,679
and this this was apparently one of them

845
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,080
that

846
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,440
had been recovered and uh and was being

847
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,240
you know we've just recovered it and uh

848
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,600
instead of having

849
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:46,000
a lot of fanfare you know you you take

850
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:46,960
all the

851
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,799
talent you have them nearby

852
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:53,360
but you put a couple of dumb asses with

853
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:54,000
rifles

854
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,360
in a in a crate in the middle of the

855
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,279
desert to guard it because

856
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:59,039
it's so remote that if somebody starts

857
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,399
heading to it

858
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,480
by the time we sound the alarm everybody

859
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:03,520
else is there

860
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,200
yeah yeah that's a correct i mean

861
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,159
so the correlation being the fact that

862
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,799
because this was a stolen nuke

863
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:15,039
it had apparently been stripped of all

864
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,320
of its shielding

865
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,159
because they were transporting it in an

866
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,720
old ass truck across the desert

867
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:22,240
coming out of you know one of the fallen

868
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,279
states i think it was coming out of

869
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:25,039
georgia or something like that sure yeah

870
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:26,159
yeah and uh

871
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,880
you know they're going through the

872
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,640
desert so just conserve fuel and

873
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,840
everything they strip off all the

874
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,279
shielding on this thing to

875
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,520
conserve weight and so this thing is

876
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,120
glowing

877
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,799
and it's probably emitting enough

878
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:38,320
radiation that

879
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,679
if there is a correlation between uap

880
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,720
and nuclear devices you know now now

881
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,640
there's this gamma emission coming from

882
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,159
the middle of the desert that never had

883
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,159
a gamma emission before

884
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:52,559
so i i can only assume that the uap

885
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,200
you're like

886
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,279
what's this i can imagine it's just like

887
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,960
beaming up there like out of the middle

888
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:58,640
of nowhere just

889
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:02,080
wow that's mind-blowing man

890
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,679
and the reason that i say that i know

891
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:06,000
that it was hot radioactive is because

892
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,960
you know the

893
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,600
the the major or the captain whoever he

894
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,960
was basically like you know don't get

895
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,000
near the crate

896
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:15,360
yeah um and of course i i don't listen

897
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,120
to him you know i stood on the crate i

898
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,000
laid down on the cradle you know i

899
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,799
pissed on the crate

900
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:27,919
nine years ago uh all

901
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,880
almost to the day nine years ago i was

902
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,320
diagnosed with a very

903
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:35,039
very specific type of skin cancer that

904
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:35,360
is

905
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:38,559
only caused by exposure to radiation and

906
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:39,520
it was on my

907
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,960
inner thigh and i do not sunbathe in the

908
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,640
nude

909
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,720
so wow now i've had it taken care of

910
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,720
it's it's it's not gone

911
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,640
but i mean it's not come back it's it's

912
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,640
gone but glad to hear glad

913
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,480
you know it's to me that's the

914
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,159
correlative event that

915
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,880
kind of has proof positive that i was

916
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,480
sitting on something that i should not

917
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:01,360
have been sitting on

918
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,399
whoa that's insane man damn but then i

919
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:06,080
guess you weren't told at the time so of

920
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,360
course you didn't know you just said

921
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:09,519
don't go near it well

922
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:13,120
young and stupid the va

923
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,720
the veterans administration has also

924
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,399
denied my claim

925
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:18,159
on that they they claim it was not

926
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,519
service connected

927
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,720
because i have no proof of anything that

928
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,320
was in the crate

929
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,880
i mean hell it took john mccain going

930
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:29,039
for uh to help mr burroughs for the from

931
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,399
the rendlesham accident of course

932
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,399
ea has a long history of this crap so

933
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,880
yeah you know because it's gone

934
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,480
uh you know had it surgically removed

935
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,159
i'm not worried about it at this point

936
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,679
so there's no reason to you know try to

937
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,360
fight the va over something that's not

938
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,480
happen at the moment amazing thank you

939
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,039
so much for going to so much detail on

940
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,559
that story because i was aware of it but

941
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,440
that

942
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,600
the comments are saying it's like

943
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,519
something from a movie script

944
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,600
it's amazing you know people people take

945
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,360
me to task and they say there's no way

946
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,880
that the us government would ever leave

947
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,080
a nuclear weapon

948
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,840
under guard by two low-ranking

949
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,600
individuals in the middle of the desert

950
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:06,000
but you got to remember within just

951
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:06,799
minutes

952
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:10,640
behind me are the 75th ranger battalion

953
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,000
the department of energy the fbi the cia

954
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,320
you know if something goes south it's

955
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,360
not like they can

956
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,679
go anywhere with this crate you would

957
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:21,120
have to have a crane

958
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,720
you would have to have some sort of

959
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,640
tracked vehicle to get it out of where

960
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:25,600
it was

961
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,240
mean it makes sense to me i mean

962
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,880
what do i know really but it does it'll

963
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:34,559
all correlates

964
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,600
so after your time there

965
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,760
and in the air force in general where is

966
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:41,519
the transition between that

967
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,039
and getting involved with uap

968
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,720
the osiris project and that where

969
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:48,480
where's the connection

970
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,080
um i got a divorce in 2017

971
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,200
and it was kind of a shitty one and

972
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,320
i spent a significant amount of time

973
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,640
having a pity party for myself

974
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,600
and there was one night where i it was

975
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,960
probably two three o'clock in the

976
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,559
morning i was feeling particularly

977
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,039
crappy about my general situation

978
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,960
and i was sitting on my sofa i flipped

979
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,240
on the tv and

980
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,399
pulled up hulu i think it was or some

981
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:15,840
streaming service and

982
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,960
i watched a random episode of the

983
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,519
unidentified tv show

984
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,799
and i was like damn you know

985
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,919
i think they were talking about the

986
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,080
relationship between nukes and uap

987
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:30,080
sure or or they touched on it or

988
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:31,440
something i don't remember what episode

989
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:32,399
it was

990
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,039
so i jump up and i go to reddit

991
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:40,080
and i write this big long story on

992
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,720
reddit

993
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,960
and i don't do it in a ufo forum i

994
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,120
actually did it in a veterans forum

995
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,559
because remember i said that the guy

996
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:48,399
that was with me i had no idea who he

997
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:48,960
was

998
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,240
yeah right i still don't i went to a

999
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,000
veterans forum

1000
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,919
told the story and was hoping that some

1001
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,200
of the detectives the internet

1002
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,559
detectives on reddit

1003
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:01,200
could help track down the guy okay that

1004
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:02,559
i was stationed with or

1005
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,840
assigned on a sign with on that uh that

1006
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,080
post

1007
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,879
and people kept asking for more detail

1008
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:10,639
in more detail more details so finally i

1009
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,679
kind of

1010
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,280
said why and what was going on but i

1011
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,359
left it very vague and they're like hey

1012
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:17,280
you know you might want to post this in

1013
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:18,879
the ufo subreddits

1014
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,159
oh god but i did i basically caught cut

1015
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,839
and pasted it and went over to the ufo

1016
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,119
subreddits and then

1017
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,879
all of a sudden people are like oh man

1018
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,200
you got to contact ttsa

1019
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,280
like what the hell is ttsa i've never

1020
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:37,040
heard of this before

1021
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,159
and they're like oh yeah they're doing

1022
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,679
this show unidentified i'm like well

1023
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,800
that's the show that i

1024
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,720
that i watched and they told me that

1025
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,320
there's an email address

1026
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,399
that pops up at the very end of the show

1027
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,320
where they're asking for

1028
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,399
military people to come forward with

1029
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,480
their story yeah so i go back

1030
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,800
i hit pause i copy down the email

1031
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,280
address and then i take

1032
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,880
a cut and pasted version of everything

1033
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,960
that i put on reddit and i sent it to

1034
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:02,800
that email address

1035
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:05,760
and nothing happens for maybe six to

1036
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,560
eight weeks

1037
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:09,040
there's just radio silence yeah and then

1038
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:09,839
out of the blue

1039
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:13,040
i get a phone call from uh uh i think it

1040
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,240
was jessica phillips

1041
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,000
which is one of the the executive

1042
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,000
producers of of the show

1043
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,240
right and she's like mr mcgowan we

1044
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,920
really enjoy your story uh

1045
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,760
lou elizondo wanted me to reach out to

1046
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,440
you and ask if you would be willing to

1047
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:27,760
talk about this on camera

1048
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,880
and i'm like who

1049
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,880
i had no idea because i had only watched

1050
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,400
that one episode

1051
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,640
yeah of of the first season i didn't i

1052
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,839
mean i kind of

1053
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,079
vaguely remembered who lou was but yeah

1054
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,119
and i was like well

1055
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,160
you know i if you guys can do me a favor

1056
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,920
the only reason that i'm even here is

1057
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,760
because i want to find the guy that i

1058
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,640
was with

1059
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,599
so he can validate my story and validate

1060
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,800
my memory

1061
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,280
so since you guys are a giant tv show

1062
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,280
and have all this production capability

1063
00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:00,000
if you can track him down i'll tell my

1064
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,200
story

1065
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,880
and there are enough yeah yeah we can do

1066
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,720
that absolutely we can put

1067
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,320
we've got some of the best researchers

1068
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,240
blah blah blah i mean so much smoke

1069
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:09,760
being blowing up my butt at the same

1070
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:10,640
time

1071
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:14,880
i mean i was my my gut was barbecued

1072
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:18,960
but so it wasn't until

1073
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,079
i walked in they flew me to new york

1074
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,720
their studios for a e were in new york

1075
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,400
and they flew me up to new york

1076
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,880
and it wasn't until i actually sat down

1077
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,079
in the chair

1078
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,440
in front of lou that i had decided to

1079
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,520
tell my story because they still had not

1080
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,599
honored their half of the deal

1081
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,359
but when i was sitting there and lou was

1082
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,640
talking to me and

1083
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:43,200
i think the cameraman's name was matt

1084
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,560
thompson i think i'd

1085
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,960
forgive me if i got that wrong but they

1086
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:48,560
didn't laugh they didn't snicker they

1087
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,040
didn't

1088
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:51,440
make me feel stupid or dumb or awkward

1089
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:52,720
or anything they actually took

1090
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:53,839
everything that i was saying very

1091
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,560
seriously

1092
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:57,119
yeah and this was even off camera and

1093
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,079
then they're like you're

1094
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,160
you're okay with telling the story on

1095
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,480
camera and i was like

1096
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,839
sure and you know i i kind of

1097
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,680
lied to them all the way up to the point

1098
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,880
where i get to new york because they

1099
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,839
were like

1100
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,520
counting on me telling the story and in

1101
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,200
the back of my head i was like

1102
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:15,200
i'll probably walk away from this at the

1103
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,320
very last minute

1104
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,560
right but but lou and matt had uh had

1105
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,160
put me at so much at ease that i was

1106
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,599
able to tell the story

1107
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,480
and that's everything since then has has

1108
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,920
got me to hear

1109
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,400
that's incredible absolutely incredible

1110
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,599
i remember the show

1111
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,920
that you were featured in i mean i've

1112
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,680
followed you ever since and

1113
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:34,880
seen what you've been doing with the

1114
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:38,960
osiris projects and now your apx so

1115
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,320
what i guess finishing that tv show

1116
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,320
the asarius project wasn't anything it

1117
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,839
wasn't in your mind or was that

1118
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,599
something then that you just started

1119
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,040
thinking i want to do something in this

1120
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:50,400
field and no

1121
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:54,400
um after i finish the tv show there's uh

1122
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,640
there was a guy well ryan sprague

1123
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,079
ryan sprague had reached out to me

1124
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,400
somewhere in the skies podcast

1125
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,400
right that's it yeah yeah he had reached

1126
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:06,240
out to me and uh he wanted to do an

1127
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,680
interview for me

1128
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:10,000
and of course i was still under nda with

1129
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,440
the history channel so i called

1130
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,599
i contacted the pr people at their

1131
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,880
history channel they're like oh yeah we

1132
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,640
know ryan it's it's okay you can you can

1133
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,560
go ahead and do that podcast

1134
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,320
so i go on his podcast and the next

1135
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,320
thing i know i'm getting requests

1136
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,040
like every 15 minutes hey come on my

1137
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:27,119
podcast come on my podcast

1138
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,800
what is a podcast i had no i'd done

1139
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,079
ryan's and i didn't know

1140
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,920
this was an actual thing right right

1141
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,079
because i wasn't i wasn't a ufo guy i

1142
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:38,000
had maybe read a couple books when i was

1143
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,720
a kid

1144
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,240
you know i watched close encounters of

1145
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:42,560
the third kind i had had this one

1146
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,680
uh event that i witnessed but by and

1147
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,520
large for the most part i was just like

1148
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,960
okay something weird happened and move

1149
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,640
on with the rest of my life

1150
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,000
and then all of a sudden people are

1151
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,800
asking me to come on their show

1152
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,720
and it was it just it just snowballed

1153
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,160
from there and then

1154
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,920
i get a call from a guy by the name of

1155
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,079
andrew hall who was doing a

1156
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,800
podcast called dead hand radio okay and

1157
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,280
he lives here in las vegas

1158
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,839
um so i met him face to face first and

1159
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,839
then i agreed to go on his podcast and

1160
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:14,000
then during the podcast

1161
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,680
he had asked me what i thought ufology

1162
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,960
needed

1163
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,920
and i just word vomited at the time and

1164
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,880
i said i

1165
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,000
i i think that it needs standardization

1166
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,640
of data collection so that everybody's

1167
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,320
collecting data the exact

1168
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,440
same way right so there's no disparities

1169
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,119
in cameras and people can't

1170
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,440
uh mic westify you just because of your

1171
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,119
technology that you're using or things

1172
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,560
like that if there was a protocol

1173
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,640
if there was a procedure you know let's

1174
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,920
let's standardize it

1175
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:46,000
yeah andrew said well have you heard of

1176
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:47,359
skyhub

1177
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,920
at the same time i've got a dual monitor

1178
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,960
set up here right

1179
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,800
right so while i'm on his podcast i go

1180
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,240
over to my other monitor

1181
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,880
and i start googling what sky hub is as

1182
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,160
he's talking about it i'm like

1183
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,400
this is the coolest thing ever i can

1184
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,839
build this thing i can put it in my

1185
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,960
backyard

1186
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,200
it does all the searching and uploads

1187
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:13,040
the data and

1188
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,560
so i started going to amazon and i

1189
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:16,160
started ordering the parts for it and

1190
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,040
everything and

1191
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,560
i think by the end of the week the parts

1192
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,000
had started coming in and i had started

1193
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:21,920
building my own skyhub unit

1194
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:24,560
wow and then i think it was probably

1195
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,359
maybe

1196
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:28,079
three quarters of the way through uh

1197
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,359
through the build

1198
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,480
i realized i'm in las vegas this is

1199
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,960
literally the brightest city in the

1200
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,560
world

1201
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,960
how good is my sky hub gonna operate

1202
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,480
being in the backyard

1203
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,560
if you know the luxor lights coming down

1204
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,800
on the top of this yeah yeah

1205
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,800
so i was like man this [\h__\h] this this

1206
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,400
thing should be mobile

1207
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,000
i need to get it out in the middle of

1208
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:51,920
the desert so i started looking at ways

1209
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,560
to

1210
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,319
you know put solar panels on it or

1211
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,319
attach car batteries to it and it just

1212
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:58,480
became bulky and heavy and huge and

1213
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,520
unwieldy

1214
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:02,240
and i'm like nah i'm gonna put it on

1215
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:03,359
wheels

1216
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:07,440
hell yeah so my daily driver

1217
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,880
was the osiris my my car that i was

1218
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:11,520
driving

1219
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,359
every single day was this 1999

1220
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,599
land rover discovery 2 that was getting

1221
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,720
me from point a to point b and

1222
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,359
i walk outside and i just start drilling

1223
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,440
holes in my roof and running ethernet

1224
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,599
cable through the side walls and

1225
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,280
tearing up the carpet and running

1226
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,359
antenna lines through it and i'm like

1227
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,839
i'm putting the sky hub in this thing

1228
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:34,560
yeah that's

1229
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,839
you know it just it got there and uh

1230
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:39,520
i stepped back and i looked at it i'm

1231
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:47,109
it just hasn't stopped man no it hasn't

1232
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,640
i've been keeping my eye on it it just

1233
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,400
seems to have like a new sensor array

1234
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,560
every time i look at it or something

1235
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,560
i mean it's absolutely incredible and

1236
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,400
i've seen videos with you driving it and

1237
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,560
so we can see the interior and just

1238
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,000
how much stuff's in there i mean it's

1239
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,400
incredible it's very impressive so

1240
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,280
oh yeah yeah and and uh if if gary's

1241
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:07,200
still listening he has called me out so

1242
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:07,920
many times

1243
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,359
because this vehicle is literally built

1244
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,480
to conquer some of the most amazingly

1245
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:16,240
rough terrain in the world i would yeah

1246
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,400
i would pit a 1990s uh

1247
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,880
land rover up against a jeep any day of

1248
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,920
the week right wow

1249
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:25,520
they're they're just indestructible

1250
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,680
vehicles but mine is 22 years old

1251
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,160
and i've had this thing airborne i've

1252
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,000
bounced the front end up off the ground

1253
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:36,000
i've been driving on one wheel down the

1254
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,440
sides of mountains and

1255
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,560
and gary's like you know stop

1256
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,520
you're you're gonna break it and yeah

1257
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,800
you see his comment down there at the

1258
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,240
bottom

1259
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,880
oh i missed it hold on one sec he says i

1260
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,280
drive like a blind monk

1261
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,400
oh man listen i am just

1262
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,520
obviously i've got it here in the

1263
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:57,760
background but if you just hang on one

1264
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,160
second so i've i've had to tone it down

1265
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,960
um i've had to yeah there she is there

1266
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,400
she sits

1267
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,160
and that's even before i've gotten the

1268
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,079
uh the other camera mounted on the top

1269
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,800
that's a that's an older photo so

1270
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,800
there's another giant camera that goes

1271
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:16,720
right beside that weather station now

1272
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:20,720
wow and uh so how successful has it been

1273
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,920
well so

1274
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,200
that's a that's a that's a trick

1275
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,520
question um

1276
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,839
well i i i genuinely don't know any of

1277
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:31,200
the data that you've got from it to be

1278
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,839
honest so

1279
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,440
yeah i'm not trying to put you on the

1280
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,040
spot in in any no

1281
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,800
i've i've done some things locally

1282
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:38,400
around here in vegas

1283
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:42,160
and and um here's here's the catch with

1284
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,680
with all the sensor tech and everything

1285
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,000
on there i can put this together

1286
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:48,160
and i'm the dumb guy who can turn a

1287
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,599
steering wheel

1288
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,839
but i'm not the smart guy who can

1289
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,200
interpret the data

1290
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:56,000
right so the data that i collect and

1291
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,480
catch

1292
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,040
has to be reviewed by somebody who

1293
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,880
understands what that data means

1294
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,520
okay so you know it's like it's like

1295
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,839
being back in the military when

1296
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,000
some analyst somewhere is doing the

1297
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,760
target acquisition for me and i'm just

1298
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:11,680
the idiot pulling the trigger

1299
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,119
so what it has caught yet i don't know

1300
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,960
i don't know and it's not built for me

1301
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,480
to have instant

1302
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,560
recognition on any sure the you know the

1303
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,560
data is recorded yeah it'll get

1304
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,359
downloaded

1305
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,280
uh it'll get saved it'll get copied

1306
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,680
multiple times and then it'll get sent

1307
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,839
uh to folks much smarter than i am to be

1308
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,440
able to analyze it and come back to me

1309
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,440
and say hey this is anomalous or

1310
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,880
hey you just caught a monarch

1311
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,480
right i mean that's fair enough i'm glad

1312
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:40,079
you said that because at least you've

1313
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,280
got the data though

1314
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,040
yes and i'd imagine there's quite a lot

1315
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,200
of it as well so yes yes i mean we've

1316
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,440
i've got stacks of hard drives just

1317
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,359
sitting around me here there's there's a

1318
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,200
eight terabyte hard drive right off to

1319
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,800
my right there's there's two four

1320
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,160
terabyte hard drives

1321
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:56,400
so every time i i hop in the vehicle and

1322
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,520
go somewhere

1323
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,200
you know these will get wiped and

1324
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,960
they'll uh because all the data gets

1325
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,400
uploaded to the cloud

1326
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,800
um so it gets stored in the cloud and

1327
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,640
then i'll take a fresh drive and and go

1328
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:08,400
out and plug it in and

1329
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,680
see what i catch amazing so i guess

1330
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,280
i mean how long have you been doing that

1331
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:15,119
with the osiris is it quite a few years

1332
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,520
or

1333
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,200
oh god no this is i've only been doing

1334
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:18,720
it for a year less

1335
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,160
less than a year wow it seems it's just

1336
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:24,000
developed and becomes something new and

1337
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,520
newer but all in that short amount of

1338
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:27,200
time now i mean that's impressive i have

1339
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,839
to say

1340
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,440
well it's like getting a tattoo man you

1341
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,960
can't just get one

1342
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,359
right no they're exactly they're

1343
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,560
addictive

1344
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,720
so you know the tattoos are like cameras

1345
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,599
for the car

1346
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,599
you know i put one camera on it i'm like

1347
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:41,280
well i need to have this extra

1348
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,240
capability and

1349
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,599
you know this thing sitting right behind

1350
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,680
me right here is a test

1351
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,920
for some new tech that i'm putting on uh

1352
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,040
oh wow

1353
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:51,280
so this is this is running right now

1354
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,240
giving me a uh

1355
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,520
a baseline on some frequencies that i'm

1356
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,200
that i'm planning on scanning the next

1357
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,640
time i'm out in the field

1358
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,800
but i'm developing the baseline so i

1359
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,720
know what's an abnormal

1360
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,800
uh event characteristic what that looks

1361
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,359
like so i can be able to hit those

1362
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,119
hit those peaks and valleys and in the

1363
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:11,280
frequencies that i'm looking at so

1364
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,400
you know this is this is going to be

1365
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,520
another thing that you're going to see

1366
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,440
on the osiris very soon is

1367
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,480
is a directional lpd and 8

1368
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,200
lpda antenna that's going to be on a

1369
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:22,800
mount that is going to be constantly

1370
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,160
sweeping back and forth 180 degrees

1371
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,680
mounted on the front of the vehicle and

1372
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,839
then when it uh when it hits a signal

1373
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,880
i can stop it and then use pitch and

1374
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:35,680
elevation to try to directionally range

1375
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,480
and find

1376
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:37,839
where the source of that signal is

1377
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,240
coming wow nice

1378
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,319
so and then i guess this is a natural

1379
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,839
progression to you becoming part of the

1380
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,000
team with uap expedition

1381
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,760
so can you just tell us about how that

1382
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,200
came about and i mean obviously

1383
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:51,119
were you friends with these guys before

1384
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,319
it happened

1385
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,480
no how did it do i mean obviously

1386
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,079
everybody knows chief day

1387
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,880
yeah everybody knows gary and jason um

1388
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,720
you know these these are the guys

1389
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,800
uh uh you know from from the princeton

1390
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:04,400
from the nemesis

1391
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,599
and and they they are the reason that

1392
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,400
most of us

1393
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,400
are in this career field not not a

1394
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,920
career field we don't get paid for but

1395
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,560
in this

1396
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,720
research field i guess yeah it's because

1397
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,640
they they had the cojones to come out

1398
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:18,480
and tell their story

1399
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:21,760
um and uh and chief day and uh

1400
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,599
and gary put uapx together and that was

1401
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,440
god i don't even know what year that

1402
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,280
actually happened but i had absolutely

1403
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,880
nothing to do with it

1404
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,359
right and to be honest to be brutally

1405
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:35,119
honest the way that i got involved with

1406
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,680
it

1407
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,800
is through a uh uh somebody in hollywood

1408
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,160
that called me up and said hey we want

1409
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,240
to we want to do a production

1410
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,880
and i'm like well they they didn't call

1411
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,200
me actually they called sky hub

1412
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,599
they were talking about sky hub and then

1413
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,520
i got recommended to them through sky

1414
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,200
hub and then i got hooked up

1415
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,400
with uapx and you know

1416
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,960
i guess gary had been had been watching

1417
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,640
me and the osiris for a little bit he

1418
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:02,160
was like well i guess i'll take a

1419
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,839
a risk on this [\h__\h] from the air

1420
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,640
force

1421
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,839
we'll give him a shirt and a hat and

1422
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,119
make him feel at home and see if he

1423
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,800
screws up from there

1424
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,760
it looks like you've been doing some

1425
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,760
good work i mean i haven't seen the work

1426
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,720
obviously but

1427
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,160
you've been out there we've seen all the

1428
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,079
photos of the crew together and i think

1429
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,559
a lot of people very excited to see

1430
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,760
what's coming and like i said i've been

1431
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,119
following you so i know that at this

1432
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,960
point i can't really ask any questions

1433
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,720
about what you guys have been up to or

1434
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,640
what you may have possibly captured

1435
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,920
i think that's something we all have to

1436
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,680
look forward to in the future

1437
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:36,559
so so i won't go there i i want to

1438
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:37,520
explain

1439
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:39,920
as best as i can without violating

1440
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,559
anything

1441
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,040
as to why we can't talk about it please

1442
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,359
do yeah one of the promises that i made

1443
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,079
at the very onset of building the osiris

1444
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,240
is that i was going to give my data

1445
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,400
to the public without any restriction

1446
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,599
whatsoever

1447
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,960
and and this is not my data

1448
00:49:00,309 --> 00:49:00,000
no that's why this is different when

1449
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:00,319
this

1450
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,079
is paid for by a third party we are

1451
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:07,040
required to abide by their covenants and

1452
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,319
restrictions

1453
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,800
but when we go out and we do our own

1454
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:11,760
thing

1455
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,839
then the data becomes public information

1456
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,119
immediately but in this case

1457
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,520
uh secondary to the fact that we're not

1458
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:21,440
allowed to talk about it yet

1459
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:24,880
is the fact that this is in

1460
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,480
in my understanding the first if not one

1461
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,119
of the first times humanity has ever

1462
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,160
put together a team like this

1463
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,280
to study this in such intricate

1464
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:40,079
scientific detail yeah and because of

1465
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:40,640
that

1466
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:43,839
we are getting or we have uh

1467
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,559
quantum physicists astrophysicists on

1468
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,599
the team

1469
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,720
who are currently reviewing all the data

1470
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,800
and it's going to go through the entire

1471
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,720
peer review process it's going to go

1472
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,839
through the publication

1473
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,359
process everything is going to be

1474
00:50:02,470 --> 00:49:58,880
handled in a way

1475
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,480
that eliminates the abilities for uh

1476
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:04,240
people to say well you didn't check this

1477
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:05,680
or you didn't check that or that's a

1478
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,640
seagull

1479
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,079
this is going to be strict adherence to

1480
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,000
the scientific process the scientific

1481
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,640
method and it's going to be uh it's

1482
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:16,559
going to change the approach

1483
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,920
and we don't want to just throw out

1484
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,640
terabytes of information without any

1485
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:24,400
context to them because it won't make

1486
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,520
any sense

1487
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,839
so we have to have our scientists and

1488
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,720
our physicists

1489
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,960
analyze the information to be able to

1490
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,800
tell the whole story

1491
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:36,079
because you know just one even we get

1492
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,000
fuzzy blurry blob videos we do

1493
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,960
but when we give the other portions of

1494
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:43,680
the data

1495
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,040
along with that fuzzy blurry blob video

1496
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:50,240
the nonsensical blob now has a story

1497
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,960
behind it

1498
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,960
sure yeah so you're not asking people

1499
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,000
for faith in

1500
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:57,040
belief that this is a uap or that this

1501
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,440
was an

1502
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,520
airplane or that this was a bug we're

1503
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:01,119
not asking for their faith in those

1504
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:01,920
statements

1505
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,280
we're going to say at some point in time

1506
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,400
that we cut we captured this and

1507
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:11,359
these other 10 pieces of information

1508
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,160
validate

1509
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,240
that this was a moth or that this was an

1510
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,319
airplane or that this is

1511
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:19,440
you know whatever it is yeah now that's

1512
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,160
amazing

1513
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:23,280
i'm so excited i think it's time that we

1514
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,240
step away from

1515
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,760
waiting for the government and things

1516
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,599
like that and to have these civilian

1517
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,880
institutions and

1518
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,800
companies doing exactly what you guys

1519
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,079
are doing right now so

1520
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,599
i tip my hat to you i think it's

1521
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,200
incredible and i cannot wait for the

1522
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,800
future and i hope other people get

1523
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,720
inspired by what you're doing as well

1524
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,760
well don't it it's not me it's

1525
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:44,079
i am not an individual that's doing this

1526
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:45,040
this is

1527
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,040
chief day

1528
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:52,000
is this was his baby jason and uh and

1529
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:52,800
gary

1530
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,000
order

1531
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:58,480
are the helmsman of this thing and

1532
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,359
without them

1533
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,599
you know this shirt wouldn't be on me

1534
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:03,680
and and we wouldn't be doing this so

1535
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,200
it's uh you know we it takes

1536
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:09,359
disparate different types of sensors to

1537
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,240
paint the picture

1538
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,839
and it takes disparate different types

1539
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,440
of people to make the team

1540
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,280
yeah no but listen i'm giving you a

1541
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,559
shout out personally because you did

1542
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,240
your thing with the osiris

1543
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,880
they saw the quality in you they brought

1544
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,720
you onto their team so you know you must

1545
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,400
have been doing something right so

1546
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,319
i appreciate you obviously being humble

1547
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:28,160
there that's all good but listen i just

1548
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,880
mentioned

1549
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,960
talking about the government so let's

1550
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,000
just switch it over to that

1551
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,400
side of things and the current state of

1552
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,720
what's happening with the ua ptf

1553
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,400
the preliminary investment we saw in

1554
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,319
june 25th and then the announcement

1555
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,480
yesterday about the upcoming bill where

1556
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,839
we're going to have this rollover 90-day

1557
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:47,359
reporting you know into the congress and

1558
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:48,240
stuff so

1559
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,000
how do you see everything at the moment

1560
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:51,839
when it comes to that angle

1561
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:56,720
of the subject i think there is

1562
00:53:02,870 --> 00:52:59,839
i can understand why people

1563
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,880
become ecstatic and happy

1564
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,960
about the progress that they're seeing

1565
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:07,440
occur because to be honest and be

1566
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:08,640
truthful about this

1567
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:11,440
this is more forward momentum and

1568
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,480
forward progress

1569
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,480
from the government that we've had since

1570
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,079
the close of project blue book

1571
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,440
it's just you know this this is this is

1572
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,359
the the reset button on that

1573
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,480
yeah um but at the same time i am a

1574
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:26,800
consummate pragmatist

1575
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,400
and i don't trust

1576
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,599
that we will ever see the information

1577
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:36,079
that is gathered by the government from

1578
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,040
the government

1579
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,760
sure um and that's why that i think that

1580
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:42,240
that organizations like uapx like the

1581
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:43,440
galileo project

1582
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,800
like sky hub like like all these other

1583
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,240
groups that are out there collecting

1584
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:50,720
this information in this data

1585
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,079
you know the technology that skyhub uses

1586
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:56,000
is virtually the same technology that

1587
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,280
the united states government would have

1588
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,640
used 20 years ago

1589
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,559
and 20 years ago is when all this crap

1590
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,119
happened so we have the tech we have the

1591
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,040
sensors we have the ability to replicate

1592
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,880
what was done 20 years ago

1593
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,800
so now the civilian population may

1594
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,559
actually have a chance to go out and do

1595
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,440
what we could not have done and and we

1596
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,040
can get the information that we're never

1597
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,640
going to get from the government

1598
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:19,440
yeah and i think that's a great point um

1599
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,839
now

1600
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,040
i'm just going to bring this up we've

1601
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,880
actually got a surprise guest who's just

1602
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,800
just jumped in so i'm going to bring him

1603
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:27,280
in so don't look so worried

1604
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,760
please welcome mr gary voorhees

1605
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,359
there he is hold on to steal your

1606
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,520
thunder brother

1607
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:38,160
anytime man any time neighborhood hope

1608
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:38,640
dealer

1609
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,480
on his way in gary thank you so much for

1610
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,319
jumping in man i saw you in the comments

1611
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,520
i thought you know

1612
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,200
let's just bring you in we are speaking

1613
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,960
in a few days or some point in the week

1614
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,520
but uh

1615
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:51,440
hey yeah i won't stay too long i figured

1616
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,720
i'd come in

1617
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,400
bust somebody's chops a little bit and

1618
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,960
yeah good man we'd like jason to jump in

1619
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:58,400
as well but i think he's obviously busy

1620
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,440
housing down his

1621
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,839
yard or whatever he was doing so it's so

1622
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:03,119
good you're watching

1623
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:07,119
hey look he's still here

1624
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,799
jason but no thank you yeah so we were

1625
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,640
just talking gary about the current um

1626
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,000
state of things when it comes to looking

1627
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,520
at from the government aspect

1628
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,119
have you got any opinions on that and

1629
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,200
what we're seeing at the moment

1630
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:21,280
um you want me to be completely frank or

1631
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,559
you want me to be political

1632
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,839
all right [\h__\h] the government we'll go

1633
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,760
get our own data hey

1634
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,440
that's what i wanted to hear bro

1635
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,200
absolutely and that's why i appreciate

1636
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,880
exactly what you guys are doing

1637
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,559
and i say this to my followers all the

1638
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,319
time sorry my colleagues all the time

1639
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:36,240
across all of my social media platforms

1640
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:37,760
is that disclosure is going to come from

1641
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:38,400
people like

1642
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:41,119
us you you guys who we can share the

1643
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,799
data out from the information that you

1644
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,240
guys gather and collect

1645
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,480
so well the day the day they come out

1646
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,400
and you know they actually

1647
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:50,720
on without any strings attached come out

1648
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,520
and help us

1649
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,200
that's that that's that's when i'll be

1650
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,880
like i'm not gonna scratch the

1651
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,599
government

1652
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,040
but i mean when it comes down to it you

1653
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,359
can't fight them so yeah and they're not

1654
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,880
gonna give you what we want

1655
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,640
so we might as well try to figure it out

1656
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,319
ourselves um

1657
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,240
you know with you know the advent of you

1658
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,319
know adding jeremy to our team

1659
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,119
uh gave us a very mobile aspect to our

1660
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:12,559
research which is

1661
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:13,760
you know if he can keep the thing

1662
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,990
but it's it's been

1663
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,720
such a pleasure having him and uh you

1664
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,079
know don't don't think that it's all

1665
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,319
been uh you know

1666
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:30,640
rainbows and sugar he's a pain in my ass

1667
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,359
uh but

1668
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:33,040
of course that's what i want i want

1669
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,559
people to think for themselves

1670
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,720
yeah uh i would rather have him ask me

1671
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:38,319
for forgiveness a hundred times

1672
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,440
than you know not

1673
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,359
try anything by himself because i mean

1674
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,640
everybody on my team

1675
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,559
has got a different personality a

1676
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,400
different specialty a different you know

1677
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,680
aspect you know

1678
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,920
he's a cuddly chair force guy uh you

1679
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:53,599
know we're we're

1680
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:56,720
we're super comfy navy guys me jason and

1681
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,680
senior chief and then we've got you know

1682
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:00,400
we've got a

1683
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,839
a a hollywood type on our team that's

1684
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:05,359
super interested you know and then we've

1685
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:05,760
got

1686
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,920
that's uh you know now a paranormal

1687
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,720
lawyer

1688
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:13,119
you know takes up for uh in his

1689
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:14,720
retirement takes up for all the weird

1690
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:15,839
stuff and

1691
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,720
you know uh we've even got an astronaut

1692
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,119
yeah we've got one of the only civilian

1693
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,520
nasa trained astronauts and he's also a

1694
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,520
science he hasn't got his phd yet but

1695
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:27,599
you know what he's still a scientist

1696
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:31,040
um but uh you know we've got such a

1697
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:31,680
ragtag

1698
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,280
team of just basically

1699
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:37,200
i have no problem stepping in and

1700
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,400
picking up

1701
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:41,440
anybody that's worth a damn that can

1702
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,559
contribute but i also want to keep my t

1703
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,040
team tight you know it's small i i even

1704
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,000
got [\h__\h] for bringing jeremy on board

1705
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,040
so but i'm kind of known as a divisive

1706
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,200
personality in certain circles

1707
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,000
yeah he's a pain in the ass he likes to

1708
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,599
do his own thing but that's that's fine

1709
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,440
with me

1710
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,119
it's exciting man i'm telling you from

1711
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:04,720
someone on the outside that's seen all

1712
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,200
this

1713
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:07,440
develop over the past few months man you

1714
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,240
know

1715
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,240
i'm i'm excited well let me let me fill

1716
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,920
you in on a couple of things

1717
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,440
thank you jeremy for being very

1718
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,079
tiptoeish around our current project uh

1719
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:17,760
so we are under nda on our current

1720
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,200
project yeah um but it's obviously

1721
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,880
out there that we did do our first

1722
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:24,240
expedition yes

1723
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:27,920
um so and we have then

1724
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,720
the movie movie websites up so it's

1725
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:32,240
obvious that we're doing a movie about

1726
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:32,559
it

1727
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,559
so once all the nda's done

1728
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:38,880
the the premiere is done and

1729
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,599
everything's

1730
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,440
you know our scientists have a chance to

1731
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:43,839
write up their white paper on our data

1732
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:46,960
uh we will be giving all

1733
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,119
everything the raw intellect all of the

1734
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,440
data out to anybody that wants it

1735
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:53,520
now i will warn you it is quite a bit of

1736
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,559
data so

1737
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:57,520
we are going to be looking into uh you

1738
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,079
know

1739
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,520
i'm going to be reaching out to certain

1740
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,359
people in the community that tend to hub

1741
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:03,440
large amounts of information to try to

1742
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,720
disseminate this as

1743
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:07,040
efficiently as possible because you know

1744
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:08,400
this is going to be like back when you

1745
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:09,119
were

1746
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,670
you wanna you wanna play the running

1747
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:16,960
game all right

1748
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,160
i gotta make fun of my friend for a

1749
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:19,440
little while and then i'll let you play

1750
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,670
hey there's real life for you bro it's

1751
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:26,960
exactly like my life

1752
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,079
don't you worry about that so

1753
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:32,880
uh we are gonna disseminate all of our

1754
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,359
data

1755
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,280
uh i mean it is eventually going to get

1756
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,599
to the public everything the raw data

1757
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,760
all of it nothing's gonna be held back

1758
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:40,720
nothing's gonna be like

1759
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:43,599
oh this is too good and at midnight on

1760
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,400
tuesday

1761
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,319
i will be releasing and dropping more

1762
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:48,559
information on everybody

1763
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,040
by the way go check my patreon no

1764
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:56,079
no we asked for nothing in return um

1765
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:57,280
because we're going to continue to do

1766
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,799
this regardless of whether we get money

1767
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,160
to do it or not as we are

1768
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:03,200
we are all broke um i'm soon to be you

1769
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:03,520
know

1770
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,760
currently looking for another job so

1771
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,000
uh you know we do this all out of pocket

1772
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,079
um so that's why we had to take

1773
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:14,079
opportunities like this uh

1774
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:17,200
like like this uh this docu

1775
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,799
documentary that they wanted to film

1776
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,480
about our company so yeah yeah

1777
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,480
if if a production company wants to foot

1778
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,760
the bill to pay

1779
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:26,240
for actual science we're not going to

1780
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:27,040
say no

1781
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,119
i know you'd be stupid well i will say

1782
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,359
uh and gary throw a flag up if i'm

1783
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,040
saying too much but i will say

1784
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:41,430
during during this whole

1785
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,799
production event uh there were a lot of

1786
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:46,240
concerns

1787
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:49,680
that we were going to be portrayed as uh

1788
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,040
as something that we're not and we

1789
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:56,000
we almost walked off the production

1790
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,960
twice

1791
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:59,280
because we did not think that well to be

1792
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,559
forgotten to be

1793
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,640
to be fair jeremy though you know when

1794
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,240
you've got

1795
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,640
you know when you get people that aren't

1796
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,079
used to dealing with

1797
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,079
real science and but they still have a

1798
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,839
production to do as i'll be honest with

1799
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,280
you i'm going to tell everybody look

1800
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:16,640
our science is effing boring

1801
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:19,680
it is horrible i mean only only like

1802
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:22,480
10 of the hardcore ufo guys would stare

1803
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,200
there

1804
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:25,599
and watch every every every grain to

1805
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:26,880
look for anything

1806
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:30,160
you know so when you're trying to appeal

1807
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:31,839
to a larger audience you know

1808
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:34,559
they've got a hard task of taking our

1809
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,119
boring

1810
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:37,119
science and creating something

1811
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,480
interesting out of it

1812
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:41,280
so take take that as a caveat when you

1813
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:41,760
do

1814
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:45,280
it's going to be pretty amazing because

1815
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,319
there's been

1816
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:49,200
synchronicity out the wazoo doing this

1817
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,319
whole project

1818
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:53,520
two years ago we were we

1819
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:54,799
were actually it's been two and a half

1820
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,960
years ago when we started uapx

1821
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:59,039
everything was just the theory on paper

1822
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:00,640
hey what are we gonna do about this how

1823
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,520
can we do this

1824
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,960
oh what have you got well let's figure

1825
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:04,960
out a way to use that let's utilize this

1826
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,440
and then

1827
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,359
you know it was just a lot of big dreams

1828
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,880
and then you know here comes this

1829
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,559
production it's like yeah we'll

1830
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,160
we'll put you up in this spot you do

1831
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,760
your science and it's like we already

1832
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,119
have the equipment we already have the

1833
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,280
personnel

1834
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:19,280
there we go we're good to go let's do

1835
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,799
this and uh

1836
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,720
and we didn't we did not get a paycheck

1837
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:24,720
from this they just paid

1838
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:27,520
for our ability to go do this none of us

1839
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:28,079
drew it

1840
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,359
i was trying to think if i got any money

1841
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,440
no we got like per diem like to eat

1842
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,319
during the day that type of stuff yeah

1843
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:35,599
they paid for our expenses and they

1844
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,640
bought us our food

1845
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,480
they did pay for our scientists though

1846
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,319
we full disclosure they paid for our

1847
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,920
scientists but these guys i mean they

1848
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,319
are phds i mean i'm not i'm just a

1849
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:46,400
freaking washed-up cable guy from

1850
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:47,760
florida that happened to be in the right

1851
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,000
place

1852
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,280
at the right time but you know

1853
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,119
people like me jeremy the rest of the

1854
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:55,039
guys you know none of us got paid to do

1855
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:55,520
this

1856
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,319
uh basically you know the only payments

1857
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:00,640
that were ever made were to

1858
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,599
a university to legitimize everything so

1859
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:05,839
that we can actually go do it as a real

1860
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:07,760
scientific expedition

1861
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,920
um so we're you know coming through nyu

1862
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:13,680
and you know scientists have to be paid

1863
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:15,039
i don't care what you say you want a

1864
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,000
scientist to do good work

1865
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:18,400
you pay them exactly absolutely and i

1866
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,119
will say

1867
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,079
since uapx came on my radar i've been

1868
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,839
talking about it across my socials and

1869
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,960
people are

1870
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,839
really excited man they really are fed

1871
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:29,280
up of hearing or waiting for things to

1872
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,079
come out of government

1873
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,960
entities or agencies or the military and

1874
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:34,319
this is this is what we've been waiting

1875
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,640
for

1876
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,720
yes we've seen the galileo project come

1877
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,720
up and that's incredible i spoke to avi

1878
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,760
loeb last week

1879
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,599
really great stuff you know this is that

1880
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,599
raw stuff this is raw

1881
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:46,000
you what you guys doing i think is

1882
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,280
speaking of avi though

1883
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,440
uh you know looking at his project you

1884
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:51,839
know at first i was like kind of like oh

1885
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:52,160
no

1886
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,839
all this great info but when you get to

1887
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:57,440
think about

1888
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,960
going into a a field that's literally

1889
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,880
i mean there's only a handful of us that

1890
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:04,480
are really actually doing science in

1891
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,280
this field

1892
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:07,359
yeah i don't blame them for wanting to

1893
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:08,960
start with a foundation you know

1894
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,520
without that solid foundation you can't

1895
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,640
build up further

1896
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:14,160
you know for us like our first

1897
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,680
expedition was

1898
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:17,280
a lot of trial and error because we

1899
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,280
don't know what equipment would work

1900
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,680
we didn't know what correlations were

1901
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:23,680
going to match we didn't know if we

1902
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,839
you know we didn't even know half of the

1903
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:27,520
stuff that we ended up finding or it's

1904
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:28,960
not finding or

1905
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:32,559
you know we were just amazed by

1906
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:33,690
how much can go wrong

1907
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:36,880
[Laughter]

1908
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:38,960
down to power failures in the middle of

1909
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:40,079
some

1910
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:43,119
go

1911
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,319
let's save some of this for our

1912
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:46,240
conversation in the week gary because oh

1913
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,960
believe me

1914
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,640
you have no problem with that i have

1915
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:50,720
plenty to say about uh

1916
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,960
from permaculture to you know if you

1917
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,960
want to talk about uh you know zip ties

1918
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,480
i don't care

1919
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,240
i can make everything sound interesting

1920
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,920
but i'm gonna go ahead and hop off here

1921
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,680
hey thanks for having me on and uh

1922
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:03,280
speaking of a couple weeks

1923
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:06,839
hey keep uh keep making this look good

1924
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:08,160
jeremy

1925
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:11,839
thanks gary awesome that was nice

1926
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:15,039
so jeremy i'm gonna throw it back at you

1927
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:17,599
jumping on that skyhub thing because one

1928
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,880
thing that everyone keeps saying to me

1929
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:20,640
is that i should do sky herbal

1930
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:23,039
or how can they do sky her because to

1931
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:24,799
them it sounds like

1932
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it doesn't sound easy but i think it is

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just a case of

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getting your head down getting yeah it's

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putting play

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the work is already done right and

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a caveat skyhub will never be done

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um they are constantly improving they're

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constantly rewriting the code they're

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constantly updating the capabilities

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and the abilities of the of the

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equipment

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but in a nutshell what they have is they

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have a recipe

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01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:56,319
of pieces and parts that you can go on

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01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,119
amazon

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01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,839
and purchase yourself then they have a

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set of instructions

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that says you know how to slide tab a

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into slot b

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and how to download the software and how

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to make it run

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01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,280
and if you can read and if you can

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assemble ikea furniture

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01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,839
you can build a skyhub wow because the

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01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:17,760
instructions are actually easier from

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01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,119
sky hub ikea is just

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01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,079
pictures there you go so and you don't

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you don't need to know how to solder

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you don't need to know how to do

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anything special i i

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built mine right here on this desk uh

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and and i've i've tinkered with with

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electronics in the past

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but you put three different types of

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resistors in front of me and i wouldn't

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know the difference

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uh and i didn't need to so the

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assembling a skyhub is extremely easy

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it's and it's budget dependent they have

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several different ways that you can

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01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,079
approach this depending on how much you

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want to put into it and yeah

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and um i bought uh could be

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because i'm just that kind of guy i i

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bought the

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the creme de la creme of the processor

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and then i bought the shitty

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uh sensors to go around it knowing that

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i could upgrade

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and use the same processor uh in the

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01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,960
future ah

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01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,799
i like it yeah it's like a bit like a

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building a pc for anybody that's done

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that

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like it's exactly like building a pc

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except this one

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does weird things i love it i love it

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so i mean all i was really gonna end off

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with was what's next but i think

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01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,799
we're kind of clear on that to a degree

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aren't we it's the uacx and

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what's next is not stopping

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01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:35,839
i mean this like like gary said we're

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in in not so many words we're never

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getting what we want to get from the

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government disclosure

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01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:44,319
you know lou elizondo is constantly

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saying disclosure is a process

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well yes it is a process if you're

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01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,280
waiting on

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01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:51,119
information from the government but it

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01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:52,480
doesn't have to be

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01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:55,920
a long process like i said right now

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01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,960
today

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01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:59,280
we have access to the same sensor tech

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01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,559
as a civilian

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01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,480
that the government was using 20 years

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01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:04,480
ago yeah and 20 years ago

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01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:06,000
is when all of this stuff started

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01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:08,079
breaking loose so

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with our ability to go on alibaba or

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01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,319
amazon or or ebay

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01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,400
we can build the same technology that

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01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,080
was in use 20 years ago

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and get the same data from 20 years ago

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and not have to wait

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01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:24,239
another 70 years for disclosure to

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01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,120
actually happen

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they mentor that man and that's what i

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01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,880
wanted to hear because

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01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,719
i've done quite a bit of research into

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01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,799
skyhub i mean to be honest i

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01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,560
just don't have the time to do it i'd

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01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:36,080
like to think i'll get around to it one

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01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,560
day

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01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,159
but for everyone that always emails me

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01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:40,319
and dm's me saying should i do skyhub

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01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,520
what do you think

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this is what we needed to hear it is as

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01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,920
simple as we hoped it would be so yeah

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01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:47,520
there's no excuses anymore if it's

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01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:49,199
something you want to do let's do it or

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01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:50,319
you do it and um

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01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,759
well i tell you what everybody should do

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01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:53,759
anybody who wants to order a skyhub go

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01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,040
to their website

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01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:57,600
look at the shopping list find the

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01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,319
second

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01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,560
most expensive thing on the shopping

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01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,480
list and buy it

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01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,799
and then have it sit on your desk and

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01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,640
know that there's one more thing

2044
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:08,560
above that price range that you have to

2045
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,920
save for but

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01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,759
everything else is under that price

2047
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,600
range and you should be able to get it

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01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,839
and just have that second most expensive

2049
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:18,239
thing staring at you on the desk until

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01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:19,440
you get off your ass

2051
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,719
it awesome that's a good way of looking

2052
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:24,000
at it man because it'll just force you

2053
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,120
to keep going and

2054
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:27,600
building it up so yeah well listen

2055
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,319
jeremy

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01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,960
um thank you so much for talking to me

2057
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,920
and listen i think

2058
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,600
it's only right that you come back on in

2059
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,279
the future maybe when gary's on and

2060
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,880
jason's on and stuff like that because i

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01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,679
love

2062
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,279
the banter between you guys you

2063
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,719
obviously vibe off each other and that's

2064
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,080
just a beautiful thing to see

2065
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,000
man so you really are welcome here

2066
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,839
anytime well hey i appreciate it this

2067
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:47,199
has been an absolute pleasure it's been

2068
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:48,000
a while since i've been

2069
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,000
on a podcast because you know we were

2070
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:52,000
under a little bit of a moratorium there

2071
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:52,400
but

2072
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,480
things are loosening up so i've got a

2073
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:56,080
little bit more access now

2074
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,760
hey well that's great man so stay in

2075
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,440
touch and if you hang about

2076
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:01,360
and i will have a chat off screen in a

2077
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:03,040
minute absolutely great

2078
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:06,239
so yeah thank you so much thank you

2079
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:10,159
all right man guys thank you so much to

2080
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,360
everyone that's been watching live

2081
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:13,040
tonight this has been one of my favorite

2082
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:14,480
interviews in a long time

2083
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,920
no offense to everybody else that i've

2084
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:17,920
interviewed but this was just like

2085
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:20,719
just hanging out and talking and no

2086
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:21,920
pressure and

2087
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:24,480
it was fun this is what we want we talk

2088
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,080
about serious subjects

2089
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,840
but we can still have fun and just be

2090
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,760
normal human beings about it

2091
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,679
and i think we we got that tonight so

2092
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,440
thank you everyone for watching

2093
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,679
um thank you to jeremy um you can catch

2094
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,520
me guys in the week with more stuff

2095
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:40,000
just head over to my instagram to see

2096
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:41,760
you know when i announce things

2097
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,880
if you did want to carry on this

2098
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:44,480
conversation guys i'll probably jump on

2099
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:46,239
instagram live in about 10 minutes so

2100
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,440
you can join me there

2101
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,440
but for now thank you so much for

2102
01:10:54,030 --> 01:10:51,840
watching take care guys and i'll see you